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Re: April 24

Postby See23 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:43 pm

Painful to be beat in your own car. Am I right?
...and then to watch it over and over and over again. ack! Not :shock: but very :? .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBqP-eA4grY
Nice win today Steve! :D
Kicked out of the club for speaking out. Fair?
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Re: April 24

Postby See23 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:48 am

Lets get some chatter going on the forum after all events...

Any feedback on the day is helpful like; track design, event flow, cleanliness of the toilet and whatever.
Tell us what your excu... reasons are for how you did, what you learned, what you forgot or your plans for the next event.
It's all good. You're even aloud to be wrong and you can't say anything much dumber or embarrassing than anything thats already been said. :shock: :roll: :?
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Re: April 24

Postby Brain » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:35 am

Try youtubedoubler.com - you should be able to put your run and Steve's in the same window, sync the start and you can show both your runs simultaneously. You might spot some differences......

Feedback.....

Course was too long - exceeded people's attention span.
Course was relatively boring, but I was worried about rain when I designed it.

Excuses.....

Driver, car, tires,

Plans....

I always have a plan :twisted:

But yes - thoughts, observations, ideas, criticism - let's hear what you have to say

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Re: April 24

Postby 5centSi » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:58 pm

See23 wrote:Lets get some chatter going on the forum after all events...

Any feedback on the day is helpful like; track design, event flow, cleanliness of the toilet and whatever.
Tell us what your excu... reasons are for how you did, what you learned, what you forgot or your plans for the next event.
It's all good. You're even aloud to be wrong and you can't say anything much dumber or embarrassing than anything thats already been said. :shock: :roll: :?


' how you did ' I suppose I came in dead last! :roll:

' what you forgot ' New tires! My Direzzas are 1/32 front, -1/32 rear. :(

' your plans for the next event ' Try to attend.

' what you learned ' Watched 2 pairs of hands very, very closely... ;)

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Re: April 24

Postby Brain » Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:08 pm

See23 wrote:Painful to be beat in your own car. Am I right?


Yup - you're right :cry:

Maybe it's that giant house arrest bracelet on your wrist slowing you down. Or is that your transmitter so the mother ship can find you when it's time to go home?

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Re: April 24

Postby RichardMotion » Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:56 am

You guys put together a quality event regardless of track lay out.
I'm probably my own worst critic when it comes to prep and performance. that being said you guys always field my silly questions politely and for that I thank you. just need to find where to drop seconds not 10ths and I may be happy over all. :p

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Re: April 24

Postby See23 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:53 pm

RichardMotion wrote:... regardless of track lay out.


So I take it you have some issue with the course? So do I but normally, after I get beat in my own car I keep it to myself.
On the other hand I know Brian likes feedback and I'm sure he's heard this one from me before...

Strange obstacles like the "Kenny Cone" corner, where an odd shaped outside wall with a suicidal Kenny standing in your path might be good for a Ken Block knock em down video but for autocross I think it's a bit gimmicky.

BUT, I never hit it. soooo... whatever. :roll:
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Re: April 24

Postby See23 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:56 pm

Brain wrote:Maybe it's that giant house arrest bracelet on your wrist slowing you down. Or is that your transmitter so the mother ship can find you when it's time to go home?


Go Pro remote.
I was racking my brain trying to figure what you were talking about. You are weird... to.
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Re: April 24

Postby Brain » Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:56 pm

See23 wrote:Strange obstacles like the "Kenny Cone" corner, where an odd shaped outside wall with a suicidal Kenny standing in your path might be good for a Ken Block knock em down video but for autocross I think it's a bit gimmicky.

BUT, I never hit it. soooo... whatever. :roll:


Yes - this is excellent! I love the chance to explain. Sometimes courses work and sometimes they fail miserably - but I always have a logic behind my course design. And a lengthy explanation.....you might want to get a coffee before continuing :mrgreen:

For those trying to follow along at home we are talking about the Kenny Cone. What's a Kenny Cone? From the animated TV series South Park - Kenny McCormick is a character who was killed during most episodes and returned the following week with little or no explanation. So a cone that can be "tricky" is often dubbed a Kenny Cone if people believe it's going to keep getting hit ....or killed.

Bad course designers purposely place Kenny Cones in bad spots with the intention that it will be hit numerous times. Not real popular with drivers or course workers. Decent course designers layout the course and then realize that a certain cone might be hit more than it should be -sometimes you correct the situation - sometimes it's critical to the flow of the course and you risk leaving it there. That was the case here - I needed that cone to slow down that corner. The other side of the argument would of course be that I should have moved the Kenny cone and reshaped the whole corner.

So which cone are we talking about? Well it would be the one that said Kenny on it during the course walk :lol: Standing at the timing tent it was in the far right corner. The outside wall had a kink in it. As you headed towards the arena and made the left Kenny was in the line of your right tire. See the picture below and I've labeled it.

So...here was my logic to that design. We went around that corner 3 times and in both directions. There were fairly lengthy straight stretches on either side of it. Particularly when heading towards the multiplex and a public parking area it's critical that the end (ie the turn) be marked well so that people don't over shoot it. Also when I got there in the morning the forecast and the sky both showed a possibility of rain. That makes it even more critical that the corner is clearly marked and a reasonable speed. Basically I have 3 choices - round corner with a wall on the outside, square corner with a wall on the outside, or I get creative. I chose creative. But when you really think about it......it's still a corner....the only real option I have there is the radius of the arc.

Now look at the picture below or watch the video linked above (jump to 1:43 and watch how little steering input Steve makes through the whole corner). There is clearly a smooth arc right through that corner. Going the direction of my screenshot there are 3 key cones - the rest is just filler. Pro tip for the beginners - being able to pick out the key cones on a course is critical to success. The 3 cones are Kenny , the second leaner on the left and the last cone in the wall on the right. If we had a giant parking lot with no obstacles that corner would have been exactly the same with only those 3 cones.

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